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Started by Reg Perrin, 14th December 2019 14:18 in Serious Discussion

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    Back to my GBFOR (Great Big Fuck Off Retirement). It was good working in the Labour National Communications Centre in the Toon. The temporary staff were mainly students or recently graduated people just about to start their working lives. There was a couple of old farts like me, but it was generally an interesting experience even if the outcome was devastating for everyone...

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    Back to my GBFOR (Great Big Fuck Off Retirement). It was good working in the Labour National Communications Centre in the Toon. The temporary staff were mainly students or recently graduated people just about to start their working lives. There was a couple of old farts like me, but it was generally an interesting experience even if the outcome was devastating for everyone...
    As a bit of a party insider Reg.....

    ......do you think there is any flying fucking chance that the Labour Party establishment and their major backers are going to ever publicly or even privately admit that they got their arse handed to them not because off...

    Corbyn's anti-semitism*
    Corbyn's support for terrorists*
    Corbyn's Marxist ideology*
    Corbyn's weak leadership


    But because the Labour party was seen as the party blocking Brexit?

    *'apparent'

    So far, I see no signs of any such acknowledgment in any of the usual cliched lefty wanker media outlets.
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    It was good working in the Labour National Communications Centre in the Toon.
    I'll bet the calls are about the same as the Samaritans get after Friday's results.
    I know things most people have to google

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    As a bit of a party insider Reg.....

    ......do you think there is any flying fucking chance that the Labour Party establishment and their major backers are going to ever publicly or even privately admit that they got their arse handed to them not because off...

    Corbyn's anti-semitism*
    Corbyn's support for terrorists*
    Corbyn's Marxist ideology*
    Corbyn's weak leadership


    But because the Labour party was seen as the party blocking Brexit?

    *'apparent'

    So far, I see no signs of any such acknowledgment in any of the usual cliched lefty wanker media outlets.
    There's an acknowledgement that the Brexit alternative offer was too convoluted and promised more delay. Johnson judged the mood right there, there were simply more people who were so fed up they just wanted it sorted.

    As the old saying goes....Marry in haste.......

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    There's an acknowledgement that the Brexit alternative offer was too convoluted and promised more delay. Johnson judged the mood right there, there were simply more people who were so fed up they just wanted it sorted.

    As the old saying goes....Marry in haste.......
    The message was convoluted because the Labour Party no longer represents it's traditional socially conservative working class base. Corbyn had a choice of either pissing these people off, or pissing off cliched lefty wankers like yourself, who wanted to remain........

    .........but actually, he got it 'right' the first time around, when in 2017 he pledged to respect the result of the referendum, whilst it was Theresa May who seemed to be mincing around on Brexit, and Labour made huge gains on the Tories. Obviously, all but the most rabid of cliched lefty wanker could accept that a Referendum was held, and Leave did win. Trying to spin it the other way around, where the result of the Referendum has surely got to be the best out of 3, doesn't quite work the same way.

    Although I voted Tory, I would like to think that was a first and a last. Labour need to figure out what their identity is, and who they really represent. Is it the Owen Jones set, or is it the 'Gammon' working class, most of whom voted for Brexit? It can't be both, as should now be well understood.
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    The message was convoluted because the Labour Party no longer represents it's traditional socially conservative working class base. Corbyn had a choice of either pissing these people off, or pissing off cliched lefty wankers like yourself, who wanted to remain........

    .........but actually, he got it 'right' the first time around, when in 2017 he pledged to respect the result of the referendum, whilst it was Theresa May who seemed to be mincing around on Brexit, and Labour made huge gains on the Tories. Obviously, all but the most rabid of cliched lefty wanker could accept that a Referendum was held, and Leave did win. Trying to spin it the other way around, where the result of the Referendum has surely got to be the best out of 3, doesn't quite work the same way.

    Although I voted Tory, I would like to think that was a first and a last. Labour need to figure out what their identity is, and who they really represent. Is it the Owen Jones set, or is it the 'Gammon' working class, most of whom voted for Brexit? It can't be both, as should now be well understood.
    Thanks for your input. As you can imagine it's one of about 10 million I've heard today. I'm in roughly the same area as you though.

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    Incidentally, with Johnson and Trumps hubris, arrogance, stupidity and megalomania, if we actually get through the next five years, the boundary changes the Tories are going to ram through (reducing Newcastle's 3 seats to 2.5 for instance and replicated as such to the tune of 30 seats at the next election), plus the introduction of voter ID which will probably disenfranchise about 2 million voters is all designed to incrementally reduce the chances of a Labour victory. On the other hand, I think things will be so shit by the time of the next election , no amount of bullshit. lies and chicanery will see them win again. Unfortunately that'll be too late for many.

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    Although I voted Tory, I would like to think that was a first and a last. Labour need to figure out what their identity is, and who they really represent. Is it the Owen Jones set, or is it the 'Gammon' working class, most of whom voted for Brexit? It can't be both, as should now be well understood.
    It's hard to believe but the campaign organiser was telling us tonight that within Newcastle North, the Gosforth area where we live, middle class to rich was 75% labour whilst previous strongholds had gone over to the Tories......actually it's not hard to believe at all. We need, and will, move to the middle. That won't be very hard at all given how Right wing this Tory government is going to be.

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    Incidentally, with Johnson and Trumps hubris, arrogance, stupidity and megalomania, if we actually get through the next five years, the boundary changes the Tories are going to ram through (reducing Newcastle's 3 seats to 2.5 for instance and replicated as such to the tune of 30 seats at the next election), plus the introduction of voter ID which will probably disenfranchise about 2 million voters is all designed to incrementally reduce the chances of a Labour victory. On the other hand, I think things will be so shit by the time of the next election , no amount of bullshit. lies and chicanery will see them win again. Unfortunately that'll be too late for many.
    You only have yourselves to blame.....

    Not for choosing Corbyn as your leader, but for Corbyn being chosen and the core of party hierarchy proceeding to stab him in the back and undermine him at every opportunity.

    Corbyn should have got the long knives out a couple of years ago when he proposed sanctions on arms sales to the Saudis, only to have 100 of his own MPs stand against him. Instead, he allowed himself to be controlled by them and has just blown the party up as a result of representing their policies, which they are now going to blame on him.

    It is a bit of pity. Corbyn was unique, not in that he was an actual genuine socialist, but that he was genuinely ethical and his intentions were good........but politics is no place for the meek.
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    You only have yourselves to blame....
    Before I even look at the rest of your post, this bit makes me laugh. Let me tell you, if there were 100 people in the pub tonight, the only difference between the 50 who'd come in for a post mortem/celebration thing and the other 50 would be that the Labour 50 had just paid their dues and probably had a bit more interest and commitment to the ideas. There is no "cabal", no "Indoctrination", no automatons. There are as many differences of opinions between us (the 50) as there is amongst your family, work colleagues or mates down the pub. You should get along to your local CLP Bob, you'd be a good contributor.

 


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