It really disturbs me how people respond to this issue.
There is huge amounts of suffering which was all avoidable if people didn't have children and yet people are willing to tolerate it and coexist with it and downplay it.
People don't take seriously the fact that large numbers of people on the internet say they don't enjoy life and say it is a burden and up to a million people commit suicide each year (which i would not call a ringing endorsement of life).
So we are talking about real suffering not whining as people like to characterize it.
But I will get into this more in further post.
This could be a very long thread because I am going to run through many different arguments against procreating.