Gay names
Started by Memnoch, 27th January 2018 13:20 in Talk & Chat

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    bill jarvis
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    Fair enough. I'll have to bow to your superior knowledge of homosexuals.
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    Chris Mitchell
    I'd say gay men in general are a lot less effeminate now than they were forty years ago
    I'd say go to any rainbow parade that used to not exist in 1988. Or if they did weren't as inyaface as they now are!

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    Right I've had enough of the RAMPANT HOMOPHOBIA in this thread. I'm off to read my copy of Gay Times.
    oooh nice boy

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    I'd say go to any rainbow parade that used to not exist in 1988. Or if they did weren't as inyaface as they now are!
    They did exist in 1988, and were less commercialised, and didn't have many straight people going to them back then.

    That's rather a different thing, though - parades and Mardis Gras are meant to be over the top carnival, in the same way that pantomime doesn't accurately reflect the way men and women normally dress.

    There are plenty of fairly famous men (I'm using men as an example as I don't think Bill was suggesting that lesbians are more effeminate now) in all walks of life who are gay, and who don't "mince" or have effeminate voices. Michael Portillo, Nick Brown, Matthew Parris in politics, Ian McKellen and Kevin Spacey as actors (not that Spacey is a good role model given the accusations against him, but he's not exactly mincing), the late Kenneth Kendal. The camp stereotype has been around for the whole of my life, and was apparently around in Victorian times too. Well before our time, but apparently not before Bill's.

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    They are all experts in it, aren't they. If you asked Chris who made the first pair of underpants out of a black bin liner, he'd know the answer in a flash.
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    Chris Mitchell
    There are plenty of fairly famous men... who are gay, and who don't "mince" or have effeminate voices.
    Aside from "effeminate" being an entirely inappropriate euphemism for ridiculous behaviour, the fact that it's not universal implies that it's deliberate. (And by the way, Ian McKellen IS a mincer... your gaydar seems to be malfunctioning). I would agree that it's deliberate on the basis that it seems unfeasible that sexual preference can affect your voice and the mechanical integrity of your legs and your wrists. Picking up on Nick's "inyaface" observation, do you think demands of acceptance and equality would be met with less hostility if people didn't marginalise themselves by going out of their way to say "Hey everyone, look at me, I'm a poof"? Most people don't care and I'm baffled as to why they want everyone to care. As I've said several times before, if heterosexuals held parades demanding special attention for being heterosexual, most people would them to shut the fuck up and get a life.
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    Memnoch
    Aside from "effeminate" being an entirely inappropriate euphemism for ridiculous behaviour, the fact that it's not universal implies that it's deliberate. (And by the way, Ian McKellen IS a mincer... your gaydar seems to be malfunctioning). I would agree that it's deliberate on the basis that it seems unfeasible that sexual preference can affect your voice and the mechanical integrity of your legs and your wrists. Picking up on Nick's "inyaface" observation, do you think demands of acceptance and equality would be met with less hostility if people didn't marginalise themselves by going out of their way to say "Hey everyone, look at me, I'm a poof"? Most people don't care and I'm baffled as to why they want everyone to care. As I've said several times before, if heterosexuals held parades demanding special attention for being heterosexual, most people would them to shut the fuck up and get a life.
    You're right about the "effeminate" part being a misnomer. Quentin Crisp pointed out that homosexual men (and he was talking about the 1950s and 1960s here) did not model themselves on women as they were then, but on a particular sort of society woman one would see in the 1920s. And yes, I have met (many years ago now) two or three very old ladies who were in their prime in the 1920s, who really did flap their wrists, speak, and walk in what we would now call a "camp" manner.

    As for how people act, I'm in favour of freedom of choice. I don't see why people should be forced to conform to your view of what a man should be like. Some men act in a camp manner (which doesn't necessarily mean they're gay), and some act in an overtly macho manner (which I notice you don't single out for condemnation). Most are somewhere in between, and I really don't know why it bothers you, Nick and Bill so much. You're all confident in your own sexualities, mode of dress and the way you act, so I'm surprised you give a damn about how other people act if it isn't hurting you.

    As for parades being all about saying "I'm gay", by the same token do you consider a Caribbean Carnival to be all about saying "look at me, I'm black"?
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    Chris Mitchell
    I really don't know why it bothers you,
    Yes you do, and you know I'm right. It is aggressive attention seeking, further emboldened by the disease of political correctness which now means they can be even more aggressive and anyone who objects to the aggression is a "phobe".
    And your likening a so-called "pride" demo to a carnival is disingenuous. A carnival is a cultural celebration. People boasting about their sexuality isn't a cultural celebration, it's just a load of self-obsessed attention seekers being deliberately annoying. And if heterosexuals behaved similarly I would give them the same criticism. So, next time I see a straight pride demo stopping traffic and disrupting the lives of people trying to go about their normal activities, I'll invite you to join me in condemnation.
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    Memnoch
    Yes you do, and you know I'm right.
    I'd forgotten that your views are always correct, and anyone who disagrees is wrong.
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