Bill. MC
14th November 2002, 00:03
God exists in both the created and the uncreated realm. The doctrinal proofs offered will be kept to the Bible and The Gospel of Thomas. Sorry to people of other faiths; I have never studied any of other religous text other than the Bible and a few non-canon gospels.s:11
God has three attributes: Omnipotence, Omnipresence and Omniscience.s:19
Omnipotent:
Job 42:2 "I know that you can do all things; no plan of
yours can be thwarted."
Omnipresence:
1 Kings 8:27 "But will God really dwell on earth? The
heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built"
Jeremiah 23:23 "Am I only a God nearby," declares the Lord , "and not a God far away?"
Acts 17:24" The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands.
... 28 'For in him we live and move and have our being.' As some of your own poets have said, 'We are his offspring"
Omniscience:
Hebrews 4:13 "Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account."
1 John 3:20 "whenever our hearts condemn us. For God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything."
These three by their very nature require God to be pervasive (Immanent) throughout reality.
Gospel of Thomas #77: Jesus said, "I am the light that is over all things. I am all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained. Split a piece of wood; I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."
Paul speaks of the pervasiveness of God.
Ephesians 4:5 "One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."
Gospel of Thomas
3 Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is within you and it is outside you."
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not...........................
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not."t:5
In John 1 it speaks of The Word creating everything that exists. This would include the very fabric of reality known as dimension and space. If God preceded space and time then God exists beyong time and dimension and being before creation, God by definition is uncreated.
To say God exists in the Uncreated realm is scriptural even if the sematics are not common KJV wording. The Word created and exists in that which was created. This is the Created Realm and has dimension and time and has knowable, comprehendable attributes and characteristics. However, it is not incorrect to say that God also simultaneously exists in an ineffabel, incomprehendable, indescribable trancendant state beyond the capability of man to
understand or imagine.
It is a common but incorrect perception that God is somewhere sitting on a throne and has the image of a man and has always existed in that state. After reality was created, a part of God does exist in the realm of spirit dimension (with a throne) and also has manifested in the physical dimension. That by no means that God has always existed as a being that looks similair to a man.
God Eternally existed before time, space and dimensions and only appears in the form of a man in the created realm. God also still exists trancendant of time and space and dimension. That part of God is incomprehensible to mankind in his current limited condition.
Job 36:26 "Behold, God is great, and we know him not, neither can the number of his years be searched out."
Ecclesiastes 8:17 "Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun: because though a man labour to seek it out, yet he shall not find it; yea farther; though a wise man think to know it, yet shall he not be able to find it."
Ecclesiastes 11:5 "As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all."
Isaiah 45:5 "I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me."
Isaiah 55:8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."t:2
regards,
Bill. MC
God has three attributes: Omnipotence, Omnipresence and Omniscience.s:19
Omnipotent:
Job 42:2 "I know that you can do all things; no plan of
yours can be thwarted."
Omnipresence:
1 Kings 8:27 "But will God really dwell on earth? The
heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built"
Jeremiah 23:23 "Am I only a God nearby," declares the Lord , "and not a God far away?"
Acts 17:24" The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands.
... 28 'For in him we live and move and have our being.' As some of your own poets have said, 'We are his offspring"
Omniscience:
Hebrews 4:13 "Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account."
1 John 3:20 "whenever our hearts condemn us. For God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything."
These three by their very nature require God to be pervasive (Immanent) throughout reality.
Gospel of Thomas #77: Jesus said, "I am the light that is over all things. I am all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained. Split a piece of wood; I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."
Paul speaks of the pervasiveness of God.
Ephesians 4:5 "One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."
Gospel of Thomas
3 Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is within you and it is outside you."
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not...........................
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not."t:5
In John 1 it speaks of The Word creating everything that exists. This would include the very fabric of reality known as dimension and space. If God preceded space and time then God exists beyong time and dimension and being before creation, God by definition is uncreated.
To say God exists in the Uncreated realm is scriptural even if the sematics are not common KJV wording. The Word created and exists in that which was created. This is the Created Realm and has dimension and time and has knowable, comprehendable attributes and characteristics. However, it is not incorrect to say that God also simultaneously exists in an ineffabel, incomprehendable, indescribable trancendant state beyond the capability of man to
understand or imagine.
It is a common but incorrect perception that God is somewhere sitting on a throne and has the image of a man and has always existed in that state. After reality was created, a part of God does exist in the realm of spirit dimension (with a throne) and also has manifested in the physical dimension. That by no means that God has always existed as a being that looks similair to a man.
God Eternally existed before time, space and dimensions and only appears in the form of a man in the created realm. God also still exists trancendant of time and space and dimension. That part of God is incomprehensible to mankind in his current limited condition.
Job 36:26 "Behold, God is great, and we know him not, neither can the number of his years be searched out."
Ecclesiastes 8:17 "Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun: because though a man labour to seek it out, yet he shall not find it; yea farther; though a wise man think to know it, yet shall he not be able to find it."
Ecclesiastes 11:5 "As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all."
Isaiah 45:5 "I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me."
Isaiah 55:8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."t:2
regards,
Bill. MC